tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8825273392145948457.post5446089276047079822..comments2024-02-28T05:21:30.063+00:00Comments on The Suburban Bushwacker: From Fat Boy to Elk Hunter: On This Day 1916: Ishi DiedThe Suburban Bushwackerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09372690405902840131noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8825273392145948457.post-54657245817864800672010-07-07T00:56:08.386+01:002010-07-07T00:56:08.386+01:00Norcal
Download it from guttenberg
SBWNorcal<br />Download it from guttenberg<br />SBWThe Suburban Bushwackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09372690405902840131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8825273392145948457.post-90984960235149308282010-07-06T03:24:57.002+01:002010-07-06T03:24:57.002+01:00I'll have to get Pope's book. Kroeber'...I'll have to get Pope's book. Kroeber's was nicely done - worth reading, for sure.Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8825273392145948457.post-61105590495662578652010-07-06T01:01:03.720+01:002010-07-06T01:01:03.720+01:00Nor Cal
Sounds great, I'll get a copy.
Inte...Nor Cal<br /><br />Sounds great, I'll get a copy. <br /><br />Interesting to think that the spread to european viruses in the new world, was a large part of what made colonization possible. From the first landings by fisherman from the Grand Banks the introduction of non-native viruses were depleting the local population.<br /><br />Pope really is an amazing writer, I sometimes re-read the cipher he conjures up of his friend, and cry for Ishi. That quote alone is so fantastic on so many levels. Gets me every time.<br /><br />SBWThe Suburban Bushwackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09372690405902840131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8825273392145948457.post-65744152373048075642010-07-05T19:57:24.104+01:002010-07-05T19:57:24.104+01:00Just finished reading Theodora Kroeber's book,...Just finished reading Theodora Kroeber's book, "Ishi in Two Worlds: A Biography of the Last Wild Indian in North America," and it left me in tears. I already knew that the diseases of civilized humanity (there's an oxymoron for you) had killed so many of the indigenous people here, but reading that it was tuberculosis that felled Ishi made it feel so personal. Perhaps it was because it felt like he was my friend by the time I got to the end of the book (even though Ishi was not inclined to befriend women).<br /><br />That Pope quote you shared earlier in the comment thread says so much that it's worth repeating: "He looked upon us as sophisticated children - smart, but not wise. We knew many things, and much that is false. He knew nature, which is always true."Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8825273392145948457.post-90722471504504166912010-04-06T15:37:46.531+01:002010-04-06T15:37:46.531+01:00Here's a link to the California State Indian M...Here's a link to the California State Indian Museum:<br /><br />http://www.parks.ca.gov/default.asp?page_id=486Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05409883521642115031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8825273392145948457.post-67276371362344559952010-04-05T01:19:58.882+01:002010-04-05T01:19:58.882+01:00Great post - Happy Easter!Great post - Happy Easter!LSPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08120630078039958644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8825273392145948457.post-2440999131592114042010-04-01T17:27:12.398+01:002010-04-01T17:27:12.398+01:00Josh
Cool - does the museum have a website?
SBWJosh<br />Cool - does the museum have a website?<br />SBWThe Suburban Bushwackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09372690405902840131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8825273392145948457.post-25472927319081362072010-04-01T17:16:43.062+01:002010-04-01T17:16:43.062+01:00Ken
that's about it isn't it. Sad but tru...Ken<br /><br />that's about it isn't it. Sad but true.<br />SBWThe Suburban Bushwackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09372690405902840131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8825273392145948457.post-89298797142269654622010-04-01T01:07:22.886+01:002010-04-01T01:07:22.886+01:00When I first heard of Ishi, in junior high school,...When I first heard of Ishi, in junior high school, I imagined a scenario where Alien Invaders drove us into the hills. Finally, when everyone I knew was dead, I came out rather than die in the brush unremarked -- because there was no one left to remark me. Then I imagined coming out of the hills to discover that not only had everyone I ever knew "gone on," but I was the only one on the planet who spoke my language. Who would I talk to? What would I say? <br /><br />He was right. Today we have too much knowledge and not enough wisdom.Ken and Joannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12853986342327863440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8825273392145948457.post-6079636958668419172010-03-31T23:17:55.515+01:002010-03-31T23:17:55.515+01:00I grew up fairly close to where he lived, and I...I grew up fairly close to where he lived, and I've wondered many hours about folks like him, how they lived and worked, what they thought and believed. <br /><br />My coming to traditional archery was through another route, but I've had the express honor of seeing some of his equipment in a well-kept museum in town. His (and others') knowledge and skill is breathtaking.Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05409883521642115031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8825273392145948457.post-39762132934884679272010-03-29T23:16:22.036+01:002010-03-29T23:16:22.036+01:00Nice one Chas
SBWNice one Chas<br />SBWThe Suburban Bushwackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09372690405902840131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8825273392145948457.post-1093805763299458702010-03-28T21:44:26.890+01:002010-03-28T21:44:26.890+01:00A fine update on Ishi's story, including the c...A fine update on Ishi's story, including the contemporary political battle between different tribal groups over his preserved brain, is <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=x5n-UU-R8VoC&dq=%22Ishi%27s+Brain%22&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=-r6vS6XoB4mmswPF0rn4Cw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBoQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=&f=false" rel="nofollow">Orin Starn's <em>Ishi's Brain</em></a><br /><br />If you can get it in the UK, a great documentary with footage of Ishi is <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104531/" rel="nofollow"><em>Ishi: The Last Yahi</em></a>, made in 1992.Chas S. Cliftonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00923547685265741325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8825273392145948457.post-11085448285753855912010-03-26T17:06:32.325+00:002010-03-26T17:06:32.325+00:00Tovar
Glad you liked it, as i understand it Ishi ...Tovar<br /><br />Glad you liked it, as i understand it Ishi is very well known to californian school children but I've only ever met one other english person who'd heard of him. <br />SBWThe Suburban Bushwackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09372690405902840131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8825273392145948457.post-87835104640562654182010-03-25T20:02:17.376+00:002010-03-25T20:02:17.376+00:00Hey SBW, thanks for the post.
I haven't thoug...Hey SBW, thanks for the post.<br /><br />I haven't thought about Ishi in a while, but I read a couple of books about him when I was a kid. I imagine that elements of his story have been in me ever since.Tovar@AMindfulCarnivorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02786679920725797712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8825273392145948457.post-76323890672500220462010-03-25T10:52:16.981+00:002010-03-25T10:52:16.981+00:00Is it not amazing that we as a society have lost s...Is it not amazing that we as a society have lost so much in so short a time ... a mere 100-200 years ago people knew these skills and used them. We've sold out for technology and lost that vital link to "reality". I am hoping to gain some of that back for myself, my family, and friends. I guess that's why I <a href="http://mooseboots.blogspot.com/2010/01/how-it-all-started-part-3-bowhunting.html" rel="nofollow">bowhunt</a>.<br /><br />On a funny note, I take Otzi's possessions as a kind of a syllabus for my re-education.<br /><br />Regardless, thank you.Deus Ex Machinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05425336387322313716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8825273392145948457.post-74545143780163554612010-03-25T07:19:08.378+00:002010-03-25T07:19:08.378+00:00Excellent quote also sir.
BpExcellent quote also sir. <br /><br />BpBpaulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10009087847894914228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8825273392145948457.post-81799872152474171872010-03-25T07:15:34.066+00:002010-03-25T07:15:34.066+00:00Bpaul
Thanks for your kind words, and the mention...Bpaul<br /><br />Thanks for your kind words, and the mention on your blog. I only found the quote while i was writing this post - great isn't it? Kind of sums it up. This one is a favourite too<br /><br />"He looked upon us as sophisticated children smart but not wise. We knew many things, and much that is false. He knew nature, which is always true."<br />Saxton T. Pope<br /><br />SBWThe Suburban Bushwackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09372690405902840131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8825273392145948457.post-56971675462991251332010-03-25T07:12:18.873+00:002010-03-25T07:12:18.873+00:00Chad
That's what i love about the story of Po...Chad<br /><br />That's what i love about the story of Pope's life<br /><br />" this morning you'll become pals with the last stone-age man on your continent, you'll take up the toy of your youth, and become world famous for hunting HOOJ predators with it, Oh and you'll be having egg and cress sandwiches for lunch"<br /><br />Who'd-a-thunk-it?<br /><br />SBWThe Suburban Bushwackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09372690405902840131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8825273392145948457.post-87279625715818257142010-03-25T07:08:13.049+00:002010-03-25T07:08:13.049+00:00Le Loup
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it. Someti...Le Loup<br /><br />Thanks, I'm glad you liked it. Sometime I think Ishi's story is a cipher for all that's wrong in the modern world, but his story is also about the redeeming power of friendship, in the face of the 'unknowableness' of others. It's made me cry more than once.<br />SBWThe Suburban Bushwackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09372690405902840131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8825273392145948457.post-84069828349288900012010-03-25T07:04:32.204+00:002010-03-25T07:04:32.204+00:00Norcal
Now if you can only snaffle that copy you&...Norcal<br /><br />Now if you can only snaffle that copy you'd have enough money for a bow!<br /><br />SBWThe Suburban Bushwackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09372690405902840131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8825273392145948457.post-2258033405083142282010-03-25T06:15:51.213+00:002010-03-25T06:15:51.213+00:00Ps: grabbing a link to this post for my blog. Ful...Ps: grabbing a link to this post for my blog. Full attribution of course.<br /><br />BpBpaulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10009087847894914228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8825273392145948457.post-68803198345900667592010-03-25T06:12:46.214+00:002010-03-25T06:12:46.214+00:00Great post, an enjoyable read. Love the quote at ...Great post, an enjoyable read. Love the quote at the end especially. <br /><br />BpBpaulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10009087847894914228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8825273392145948457.post-19558206780601290972010-03-25T03:06:25.706+00:002010-03-25T03:06:25.706+00:00Saxton Pope's book, along with Maurice Thompso...Saxton Pope's book, along with Maurice Thompson's "The Witchery of Archery" and Howard Hill's "Hunting the Hard Way" are widely considered to be the three most influential books on archery.<br /><br />But I seriously doubt Saxton Pope would have gone on to become the father of modern recreational and hunting archery without the influence of Ishi.<br /><br />Pretty fascinating stuff, eh?Chad Lovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13219295562957353591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8825273392145948457.post-65794575833076597922010-03-25T02:53:33.957+00:002010-03-25T02:53:33.957+00:00A good post, but rather deppressing to think of hi...A good post, but rather deppressing to think of his death and the death of his way of life. I am glad he found a friend in pope, because I hate to think what would of happened to him otherwise. Some people are hard to fathom.<br />Regards.Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12562001301604097606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8825273392145948457.post-27680513560284198362010-03-25T01:26:37.793+00:002010-03-25T01:26:37.793+00:00You know, that's a book I remember seeing on m...You know, that's a book I remember seeing on my parents' bookshelf forever. You make me want to read it. Thanks!Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.com